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What's so good about the Wildhearts?

Postby seventieslord » 6th Sep 07, 08:51

So, I've got this friend, a best friend, actually, whom I am always at odds with about music. He likes things like Coldplay and Arcade Fire and Keane and Hard-Fi. But he's more of a fad-based guy. His taste has changed by the year for as long as I know him. He is generally critical of what I like, I recall an incident where I was listening to RATM and he said "I guess this is one of your bands that just bashes on the instruments and sees what happens..." I also recall once he heard LYTID and said "Love You Till I Don't? Hmm, lyrics aren't this band's strong point, hey?" He also once described Metallica's S&M as "some guys playing good classical music, but then these other guys are playing on top of it 'NAAAAAAAA NA NA NA NA, HAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIILLLL THE DEVIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLL!!!!!!'". This is also a guy who demanded that I turn off HWC after 30 seconds of song 1; he just could not appreciate it even for its comedic value, which is just one of its many intrinsic values.

He knows I am quite critical of radio music and MTV and the labels paying them to play what they want to shove down our throats. He doesn't buy that. He's also not impressed with my assessment of Coldplay being "Pansy Rock" - he says "listen to the lyrics man, this guy has been through a lot, he has a lot to say!" and I said "I am sure he does, but I can listen to music that has great lyrics and isn't so goddamn boring!"

He also made me listen to Gnarls Barkley last time he was in town, he thinks they are just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Overall, I don't mind them, but there is no denying them that they are the latest music industry darling being mass exposed deliberately. He showed me some song called "monster in my closet" and said "ok dude, listen to this part, it's so cool!!!" and the song went "as I got nearer, I realized, it was a mirror!" I said "so?" he said "isn't that cool? Good lyrics, hey?" and I said "well, no, not really. not very original either. The whole concept of 'i'm the monster, my problems lie inside, i'm the one to blame for my troubles, i looked inside myself and found evil, etc' is so tired and overdone so forgive me for not thinking that line is anything special".

And with Keane and Hard-Fi, I was subjected to a whole album of each - again, he thinks they are the greatest things since Gnarls Barkley, and seemed offended that I replied "yeah, they're alright, but I wouldn't go running around to all my friend's houses saying 'wow, DUDE, you just HAVE to hear this!!!!'"

Anyway, the last couple of years he's been generally pushing his music on me while constantly questioning why I like what I like. I recall mentioning once that I consider my top artists so good that it's practically life changing. (referring specifically to Metallica, The Wildhearts, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones) - Then the guy wants examples. He just pushes and pushes like he expects me to scientifically prove that these are the best bands ever and deserve the lofty status I give them.

More or less, the roles have been reversed from what they "should" be. I am a bit of a music snob (not compared to people I meet online but certainly in comparison to those I know in person) and he's a bit of a radio whore. You'd expect to see him trying to mind his own business and stay in his own little world, and me trying to "save" him and show him that he can discover good music on his own and it would be so much more rewarding. But no, it is him pushing this music on me that is mediocre at best and me being less than impresses as I have been exposed to so much better music in my life.

Anyway. now that you know the background, a month ago he was back in town and I had Metallica on. Out of nowhere he says to me: "I've never really been a fan of the whole 'band' thing, where there's one guy with a guitar and another guy on the drums, etc. So what do you like about Metallica anyway?" The question caught me off guard immediately but with some quick thinking (because if I didn't do well I would never hear the end about how I couldn't even explain why I like my favourite band) I was able to come up with a reasonable answer. I said something like, "Well, I enjoy their technical proficiency - they are very talented in their respective instruments. I really enjoy the theme-based structures of each of their albums. They have very complex song structures that defy most conventional mainstream methods, containing multiple phases in each song, and very socially and politically profound lyrics. They also just plain rock, and as you know, I like heavy music." that was enough to get him off my case momentarily.

With the NYC trip coming up, I am sure I am going to hear it some day soon - What is so good about the Wildhearts/Why do you like the WIldhearts so much? I figure I should prepare for this question better than the last one. It would be more than fair to say "well, jeez. listen to them. They fucking rock. Listen to that riff. Who else does that?" but that wouldn't be good enough for this smartass. It has to sound almost scientific. I could do this myself, but why do it alone when I have you guys? Help me out. Answer the question. Keeping in mind that this is a guy who hasn't ever given them a chance, how do you tell a supposed know-it-all like this how the Wildhearts are good, in about 100 words or less?
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Postby Arabiandisco » 6th Sep 07, 09:23

It's a "why do you love your wife" type question isn't it?

It's no help, but the reason I like the Wildhearts is the same reason I like The Who - the songs are so fucking good. It's the combination of nigh-on metal riffing and tunes that you could sing for days without them ever getting irritating.

You can't explain music, it stands on its own. Just play him "Two Way Idiot Mirror" and if he doesn't "get it", he never will.
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Postby fluffygrue » 6th Sep 07, 10:25

I get that question a fair bit from music-nerd-people about why I like Linkin Park/Bon Jovi/Scooter/etc.. Answer tends to be.. I like them, because I enjoy listening to them.

But agreed - it's a bit odd that a fan of "Radio 1 bands" be pushing his taste on you.. :/
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Postby Damian » 6th Sep 07, 11:00

I love loud guitars, harmonies, riffs and pop hooks.

If anyone can't work out why I love The Wildhearts now, I'd be surprised... :D
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Postby nig1012 » 6th Sep 07, 15:11

this guy doesn't sound much like a friend if he can't respect your musical tastes,he also sounds a bit jelous cus you've got something that your passionate about that is true and honest and all he's got is whatever somebody else (the dj's) wants to throw at him. you should drag him along to one of their shows then he might just "GET IT"
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Re: What's so good about the Wildhearts?

Postby Ean » 6th Sep 07, 16:18

seventieslord wrote:he says "listen to the lyrics man, this guy has been through a lot, he has a lot to say!" and I said "I am sure he does, but I can listen to music that has great lyrics and isn't so goddamn boring!"

Really?! The one thing about Dullplay that most people I know will agree to is that the lyrics really aren't about anything at all. They're a lot like sixth-form poetry: they sound profound and intellectual on first listen, but if you dig a bit there's not much under the surface. Oh, and if you're feeling particularly malicious, point out to him that they only have one song too.

I don't understand his "I've never been a fan of the whole 'band' thing"...? What does he think all of his 'favourites' are?

I don't know that I could properly put into words why The WH are my favourite band. They just 'fit' me better than anybody else. But I've long since stopped trying to force people to like them, it doesn't work and often only serves to make them more resistant. I've usually just let them know when they're playing (I know this'll be more difficult for you) and most of them have been to at least one gig. Some stay, some don't, but you can't make everybody like them.

You could always repay his favour and make him 'sit through' your favourite WH stuff. :D
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Postby Stuart Brackpool » 6th Sep 07, 16:41

It's a cliche but life would be dull if we all liked the same thing, it's the conflict and disagreements that keep things interesting. I'll never understand why my friend loves Marmite but it's fun to (good-naturedly) get in each other's faces about it.

There is art in science, and science in art, but music is probably the least quantifiable artform there is. Why does this abstraction get the blood pumping as it does, or touch us in a way nothing else can? There are books and various other media offerings to try and explain it (there was an interesting article about it in Sunday's Culture section in The Sunday Times) but I prefer the mystique. You either get it or you don't.

The simple truth is we each have the best taste in music. Except me. Mine is just a little better than everyone elses!
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Postby Ean » 6th Sep 07, 16:52

Stuart Brackpool wrote:It's a cliche but life would be dull if we all liked the same thing, it's the conflict and disagreements that keep things interesting. I'll never understand why my friend loves Marmite but it's fun to (good-naturedly) get in each other's faces about it.

The simple truth is we each have the best taste in music. Except me. Mine is just a little better than everyone elses!

Yeah, but you don't like Marmite, so it pretty much evens out...

...and I take it you've never thought of moving to Burton-upon-Trent then? :lol:
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Postby nuno75 » 6th Sep 07, 17:44

For me, the Wildhearts are a perfect summary of all of the best things that anyone in rock music has ever done. If you had to pick one band to give an example of the widest range of the various forms of rock 'n' roll, you just can't do better than The Wildhearts.
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Postby 29xthefun » 6th Sep 07, 19:46

Nothing wrong with being a musical snob. People I worked with called me a musical nazi as I hate just about everything on the radio In work.
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Postby SteveP » 6th Sep 07, 21:40

A, because there are so many musical styles put into it, pop, rock, metal, punk etc, and sometimes more than one style in a single song

B, fabulous riffing, that gets the feet tapping, now tell me any opther band that you put the cd on and they instantly make you want to be drumming, or playing guitar or bass on that song

C, that their songs are about LIFE, real human emotions, thoughts, feelings, they tell how the person concerned can go from being the happiest fukker in the world to someone who would quite happily kill all their relations and all the emotions in between

D, the incredible amount of product, in that, I mean to include all the side projects/ full time projects (depending on Ginger's mood!!)

E, the aforementioned how many other bands are there that have risen from a wildhearts hiatus or sacking, and how many of them would be of such high quality. personally, I don't like slipknot, but you have a side band in TheMurderdolls, who also do nowt for me, and then another side band Wednesday 13, who also do nowt, so count ourselves lucky we have all of these bands to love

F, that they write and play what they want to, not what current trends or dj's or record company executives want them to play

There are more, but I don't ant to go on all night, I do have work in the morning!!
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Re: What's so good about the Wildhearts?

Postby scully » 7th Sep 07, 03:22

seventieslord wrote:...he said "I guess this is one of your bands that just bashes on the instruments and sees what happens..."


And this dude likes Arcade Fire? Clearly he's never seen them live. AF and The Wildhearts are 2 of my favourite bands. Your mate needs to know that if you call youself a fan of music you can appreciate just about anything. Classic example?.... Imagine the lack of Ginger/Wildhearts material if the Ginger one only listened to Cheap Trick and Motorhead.
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Postby seventieslord » 7th Sep 07, 05:10

You all rock. Seriously. I am so glad I took the time to start this topic. It has been on my mind for over a week.

Keep the answers coming, I'll be back to reply more later!
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Postby scully » 7th Sep 07, 05:39

seventieslord wrote:Keep the answers coming, I'll be back to reply more later!


That's ok, sir. I find it frustrating that a lot of people never really seem to scratch the surface and realise that there's a whole world for of music out there. I never suggest that everyone should like what i like but if you only go by the charts or what's in the NME etc. then maybe you're just not a fan of music. I mean, i feel some effect from the death of Pavarotti - more out of respect and appreciation for his musical talent rather than being into everything he did.

God i sound like a nerd don't i? :roll:
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Postby seventieslord » 7th Sep 07, 07:15

scully wrote:
seventieslord wrote:Keep the answers coming, I'll be back to reply more later!


That's ok, sir. I find it frustrating that a lot of people never really seem to scratch the surface and realise that there's a whole world for of music out there. I never suggest that everyone should like what i like but if you only go by the charts or what's in the NME etc. then maybe you're just not a fan of music. I mean, i feel some effect from the death of Pavarotti - more out of respect and appreciation for his musical talent rather than being into everything he did.

God i sound like a nerd don't i? :roll:


Not really, I know exactly how you feel.
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