Metallica vs. The Wildhearts

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Metallica vs. The Wildhearts

Postby seventieslord » 29th Jul 07, 12:22

It's a debate that rages on inside my head on practically a daily basis. Since discovering the Wildhearts six years ago, I have always considered them my second favourite band, second only to Metallica, who had been reigning as #1 for 3 years before that.

Sometimes I go through these Wildhearts kicks, where I will listen to everything Wildies-related that I have in the matter of 3 days (I have the luxury of listening at work) - during these times of complete musical ecstasy, I think to myself, "self, how can there be a better band in the world than this? How have The Wildhearts not earned 'favourite band' status with you yet?"

Wouldn't it be nice to be having music conversations with record store guys and people I meet at parties and say "yeah, my favourite band is this excellent british band called the Wildhearts... no one over here is privileged enough to have heard them though..." - damn right it would be, as opposed to saying my favourite band is Metallica - whooptee doo, me and 10 million other people! The thought of the Wildhearts being my favourite band lingers only about as long as the intros to Blackened or Battery by Metallica, though. Try as I might, I just can't put anyone ahead of these guys.

I mean, what I have most recently determined is that what appeals to me more than any other single factor (and there are many) about the Wildhearts, is the riffing. Everlone, L.T.D., O.C.D, Rooting For the Bad Guy, Lake Of Piss, Caprice, Inglorious, Sky Babies, Naivety Play, Shame On Me, Do the Channel Bop, And the Bullshit Goes On, Return To Zero, Destroy All Monsters, News Of the World, Schitzophonic, Girlfriend Clothes, Cheers, and so on. Nobody does it better. If there was just one thing that makes this band special, it's the riffs.

Did I just say nobody does it better? Sorry, I mean only one band does it better. There is superior riffing in droves on "And Justice For All" and "Master Of Puppets" - just listen to a Metallica album and imagine for a minute that it is the Wildhearts playing it. It isn't hard to do! They are so frickin' similar and yet, you listen to my new favourite song of all time, "And Justice For All", and though it sounds like something Ginger would dream up, it isn't. Ginger, for all his talents, just isn't THAT good that he can come up with a song structure and riff pile that that song contains, among others of course.

What I am trying to say at 4 in the morning is, the reason Metallica still is, and always will be, my #1 band, is because they are the only band who can out-riff the Wildhearts. It's no easy task, and they deserve my admiration for it.

Remember when Ginger said on Grievous Acoustic Behaviour that Metallica was shite nowadays because they don't play "the riff"? I recall when that came out I didn't even really get what he meant - I do now. I still spin the new stuff, and I get something different out of it, but nothing beats their late-80's heyday.

God, do I ever love life, and music, and I feel fortunate just to have such a difficult choice to make.
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Postby Sarc » 29th Jul 07, 12:40

Ill stick with the Wildhearts thanks Metallica have always seemed to me, and this is going to cause uproar I know, incredibly stale and boring the only time they tried to do something different was on Load as far as i know (or was it reload?) with Hero of the Day and bits like that and they got slated for it.

Gimme the local lads anyday of the week, i find them much more entertaining personality and talent wise.

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Postby Col » 29th Jul 07, 12:43

I liked the bit on the Metallica documentary where they gave the new bassist $1 million up front, I bet he nearly shat himself.
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Postby geordierussell » 29th Jul 07, 14:11

I accept that Metallica are important in the history of rock. Whilst I do like some (not many) of their tracks, on the whole they are not my cuppa. Personally, I prefer Megadeth to Metallica.
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Postby davejnick » 29th Jul 07, 16:05

geordierussell wrote:I accept that Metallica are important in the history of rock. Whilst I do like some (not many) of their tracks, on the whole they are not my cuppa. Personally, I prefer Megadeth to Metallica.


Funny you should say that, I've been on a bit of a Megadeth binge recently. I'd forgotten how good they were.
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Postby sparky » 29th Jul 07, 20:46

It's got to be The Wildhearts for me after all this time there still exciting, fresh and always interesting. Metallica on the other hand have just become a boring bunch of moaners and even though they reinvented them selves they lack the energy and commitment. Thats because they cashed in with the Black Album (who can blame them ) and now they are just living of their past glory and in fairness it was truely electric.
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Postby seventieslord » 29th Jul 07, 21:16

sparky wrote:It's got to be The Wildhearts for me after all this time there still exciting, fresh and always interesting. Metallica on the other hand have just become a boring bunch of moaners and even though they reinvented them selves they lack the energy and commitment. Thats because they cashed in with the Black Album (who can blame them ) and now they are just living of their past glory and in fairness it was truely electric.


Anyone who says what you are saying is well within their rights to. They have been.... different.... in the past decade. However, I am looking at this from an "entire back catalog" perspective.
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Postby Dark Lord of Barnet » 29th Jul 07, 22:27

Col wrote:I liked the bit on the Metallica documentary where they gave the new bassist $1 million up front, I bet he nearly shat himself.
Yeah - they basically said "Heres a million dollars - do you want to join Metallica?"

I bet he had to think really hard before answering that! :?

'Like man - errr - I only auditioned for a laugh really...' :roll:

The 'Some Kind Of Monster' documentary is fantastic - real life Spinal Tap! :lol:
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Postby Andy Santiago » 29th Jul 07, 22:48

At the risk of been totally slated,Metalica should really have fucked right off after 'Master Of Puppets' as everything since has been crap.
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Check Gingers speech about Metallica on the 'Grevious Accoustic Behaviour' album! :D
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Postby sparky » 29th Jul 07, 23:13

seventieslord wrote:
sparky wrote:It's got to be The Wildhearts for me after all this time there still exciting, fresh and always interesting. Metallica on the other hand have just become a boring bunch of moaners and even though they reinvented them selves they lack the energy and commitment. Thats because they cashed in with the Black Album (who can blame them ) and now they are just living of their past glory and in fairness it was truely electric.


Anyone who says what you are saying is well within their rights to. They have been.... different.... in the past decade. However, I am looking at this from an "entire back catalog" perspective.


Me too I just feel that Metallica were more original and full of fire in the 80's, only one could rival them (Slayer). I love the first 4 albums, but after "...Justice..." they became just another band, nothing original, exciting or just plain out there
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Postby seventieslord » 29th Jul 07, 23:36

sparky wrote:
seventieslord wrote:
sparky wrote:It's got to be The Wildhearts for me after all this time there still exciting, fresh and always interesting. Metallica on the other hand have just become a boring bunch of moaners and even though they reinvented them selves they lack the energy and commitment. Thats because they cashed in with the Black Album (who can blame them ) and now they are just living of their past glory and in fairness it was truely electric.


Anyone who says what you are saying is well within their rights to. They have been.... different.... in the past decade. However, I am looking at this from an "entire back catalog" perspective.


Me too I just feel that Metallica were more original and full of fire in the 80's, only one could rival them (Slayer). I love the first 4 albums, but after "...Justice..." they became just another band, nothing original, exciting or just plain out there


Haha, thanks for the lol' bit o' backup here. Not that I expected any at all, posting this at the GInger boards.
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Postby Stuart Brackpool » 30th Jul 07, 01:11

I remember somebody saying about Metallica's Black Album around the time of release, 'Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?' I always thought that was pretty accurate as their first five albums are classics, nothing they've done since has really interested me.

I also remember (brain, don't fail me now!) The Wildhearts being described as The Beatles vs Metallica many years ago. That description intrigued me, even if only for the image of Metallica with moptops.
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Postby seventieslord » 30th Jul 07, 04:33

Stuart Brackpool wrote:I remember somebody saying about Metallica's Black Album around the time of release, 'Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?' I always thought that was pretty accurate as their first five albums are classics, nothing they've done since has really interested me.

I also remember (brain, don't fail me now!) The Wildhearts being described as The Beatles vs Metallica many years ago. That description intrigued me, even if only for the image of Metallica with moptops.


Indeed they were. I recall hearing that numerous times. I definitely see why. Motorhead meets Jan & Dean was another one I heard.
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Postby seventieslord » 30th Jul 07, 04:35

Andy Santiago wrote:At the risk of been totally slated,Metalica should really have fucked right off after 'Master Of Puppets' as everything since has been crap.
Wildhearts for me any day.
Check Gingers speech about Metallica on the 'Grevious Accoustic Behaviour' album! :D


I did note that speech in my original post.

anyways, surely you made a mistake here. And Justice For All would be considered "good" Metallica, along with Kill, Ride, and Puppets, not grouped in as "bad" or "latter day" metallica, with the Black album, load, reload, and St. Anger.
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Postby seventieslord » 30th Jul 07, 08:15

I figured this would be the correct thread for this. I was listening to PHUQ in my car today, and I finally figured out what it was about Cold Patootie Tango that always struck me as familiar. It's a direct copy of the technique used in the "exposition" of Metallica's "...And Justice For All". (the song, not the album) - maybe it has something to do with the fact I've had Justice on the mind for the past week and recently had an epiphany regarding that song being the best song ever. But what do you think? Cold Patootie Tango starts off soft and quiet, then goes into a riff, still quiet though, then begins to play the same riff only a lot heavier (something the Wildies are excellent at!) amidst a mid-tempo drum beat that is mainly the bass, essentially providing the groundwork for the song. (I wish my musical terminology was better - i have no real talent :( ) And Justice For All starts with an acoustic riff, that they begin to play heavier, and that is when the pounding bass drum comes in. To see what I am talking about, listen specifically to the section 0:27 to 0:34 of AJFA and then from 0:52 to 1:00 in CPT.

Whenever I find similarities in songs, I just have to ask around to see if anyone else heard it, and if they think it was deliberate or not. This one is particularly interesting because of what we're already discussing... so, what do you think? Deliberate Metallica tribute? Coincidence?
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