"order" of Wildhearts songs

[seventieslord]

I've decided that since it's a long train ride to NYC, I would burn an mp3 CD full of Wildhearts songs - every song they've ever recorded in the studio, to be exact. I thought that since I am doing this, I may as well go the extra mile and put these tracks in perfect chronological and sequential order. This is a preliminary order that I was looking at - I need the long-time fans to come and correct me with anything I may have missed and improper orders. My plan is to include each song once, no early versions or re-recordings.

1. The pre-mondo songs (I think these are all with Snake) - Wild Wine and Whiskey, Who's Gonna Stop Lorraine, Just Stay, Kiss My Arse, Unsociable Emotions, The Violent Ones, Please Baby Please, Vive L'Amour

2. 2nd batch of pre-mondo songs (IIRC, these came after as Ginger is on vocals) - Truth, U Wanna

3. The 4 tracks from Mondo Akimbo A Go-Go

4. The 4 other tracks that combined with Mondo, made DBH,JW

5. Tracks from Earth Vs. (but not caffeine bomb)

6. And the Bullshit goes on, first released on GFS brown vinyl

7. Show a Little Emotion, Dangerlust, Down on London (TV EP)

8. Caffeine Bomb single. title track, GF clothes, and SYFMAUYFB

9. Suckerpunch B-sides

10. FFL fan club version tracks. Inglorious, lovebank, schizophonic, channel bop, geordie, sky babies

11. Hate the World Day and Fire up, from the Lovebank EP

12. IWGWTPG plus b-sides

13. PHUQ tracks aside from IWGWTPG

14. Just In Lust B-sides

15. Saddened (from FFML)

16. Sick of Drugs and B-sides

17. FFL new songs - RLGL, Soul Searching, Mood Swings, In Like Flynn, Nite Songs

18. FFL vinyl extras - Beautiful Me/You, Johnny Wash 'N Go

19. RLGL B-sides

19.5. Abhoria, Velvet Presley, stupid things, Ride the wave, state of nondependence, tom take the money (recorded around this time and stolen)

19.75??. One Before the Lights Go Out - I don't see it as officially being from a single, is it part of this session?

20. Push, from the endless namesless sessions.

21. Anthem + b-sides

22. Urge + b-sides

23. Remainder of Endless, Nameless, plus Pump It Up

24. One Less Heartache, with Jason Ringenberg

25. Vanilla Radio & B-sides

26. SITN,KITS from RARAMR

27. SITNKITS b-sides

28. SIY + b-sides

29. Tracks from TWMBD, aside from VR and SIY

30. TOTW b-sides

31. Wild Zero, from the Guitar Wolf tribute disc

32. New album, w/Japan tracks

[Ean]

1. The pre-mondo songs (I think these are all with Snake) - Wild Wine and Whiskey, Who's Gonna Stop Lorraine, Just Stay, Kiss My Arse, Unsociable Emotions, The Violent Ones, Please Baby Please, Vive L'Amour

It seems odd that these are always listed as the Snake demos, 'cos according to the main site history:-

7 August - 13 August 1990 Ric Browde produces Wild Hearts demos at Jacobs studios. Five tracks are recorded: Please Baby Please, Unsociable Emotions, Wild Wine & Whiskey, Viva L'Amour and Kiss My Arse Before You Say Goodbye. Snake has recently left the band, and it's his replacement Duncan (aka - ahem - Dunken F. Mullett, ex-Mournblade) who sings on these demos. However, Snake soon returns, ousting Duncan.

I think you're pretty much right here, but I think it's Ginger singing on Just Stay, it certainly sounds different to the other stuff?

There are two different versions of Church Of The Broken Hearted (Not including the third version - which is technically an alternate version to the WH original - that appears on SG5) too.

[benwalton]

where the hell did you guys get a hold of the 'snake' demos?!

[Ean]

where the hell did you guys get a hold of the 'snake' demos?!

Oh, here and there...

Mostly here.

Hmmm, ok, never mind. It's down again...

[seventieslord]

1. The pre-mondo songs (I think these are all with Snake) - Wild Wine and Whiskey, Who's Gonna Stop Lorraine, Just Stay, Kiss My Arse, Unsociable Emotions, The Violent Ones, Please Baby Please, Vive L'Amour

It seems odd that these are always listed as the Snake demos, 'cos according to the main site history:-

7 August - 13 August 1990 Ric Browde produces Wild Hearts demos at Jacobs studios. Five tracks are recorded: Please Baby Please, Unsociable Emotions, Wild Wine & Whiskey, Viva L'Amour and Kiss My Arse Before You Say Goodbye. Snake has recently left the band, and it's his replacement Duncan (aka - ahem - Dunken F. Mullett, ex-Mournblade) who sings on these demos. However, Snake soon returns, ousting Duncan.

I think you're pretty much right here, but I think it's Ginger singing on Just Stay, it certainly sounds different to the other stuff?

There are two different versions of Church Of The Broken Hearted (Not including the third version - which is technically an alternate version to the WH original - that appears on SG5) too.

Actually, I could probably omit Just Stay as it is an early version of The BS Goes on, which slipped my mind. Out of the other 8, I think a couple may feature Ginger, but I am too lazy to check right now.

You're right, Church of the Broken Hearted would count too. I have three versions though - you must be missing one!

so other than that, I have the right order of everything?

[JasonH]

20 Should be Pump It Up
23 Should include Push

It's Pump It Up that was the pre-release promo track, it was also on the Melody Maker promo CD that pre-dates Anthem.

Technically speaking, Looking For The One was the first post-reformation track (apart from One Less Heartache) as its appearance on a Kerrang cover CD pre-dated Vanilla Radio!

[Ean]

Actually, I could probably omit Just Stay as it is an early version of The BS Goes on, which slipped my mind. Out of the other 8, I think a couple may feature Ginger, but I am too lazy to check right now.

Well, yees, sort of. It's not like Ginger just rewrote a couple of lines though, they are effectively different songs (musically speaking, the choruses are totally different), and using that reasoning, you could also ditch the 'Snake era' songs that contain stuff that was later recycled in other songs?

You're right, Church of the Broken Hearted would count too. I have three versions though - you must be missing one!

*screech of brakes*

Eh!?

I have one that starts :-

So here is me alone again, so what else is new...

The significantly different one that goes :-

And when the night refuses to leave you alone, you feel there must be something more...

And the usual version by SG5

There's another one??

[richyboy1981]

I think U Wanna was done at the PHUQ sessions, as much of the song (apart fromt eeh superb intro riff) was used on Cant do right for doing wrong (i wanna go b side).

[seventieslord]

20 Should be Pump It Up
23 Should include Push

It's Pump It Up that was the pre-release promo track, it was also on the Melody Maker promo CD that pre-dates Anthem.

Technically speaking, Looking For The One was the first post-reformation track (apart from One Less Heartache) as its appearance on a Kerrang cover CD pre-dated Vanilla Radio!

Thanks for the info regarding Pump It Up - I had no idea, I will have to take your word for it.

And you're also right about Looking For the One - I remember hearing it in July 2002 when VR and RARAMR didn't come out until October.

[seventieslord]

Actually, I could probably omit Just Stay as it is an early version of The BS Goes on, which slipped my mind. Out of the other 8, I think a couple may feature Ginger, but I am too lazy to check right now.

Well, yees, sort of. It's not like Ginger just rewrote a couple of lines though, they are effectively different songs (musically speaking, the choruses are totally different), and using that reasoning, you could also ditch the 'Snake era' songs that contain stuff that was later recycled in other songs?

You're right, Church of the Broken Hearted would count too. I have three versions though - you must be missing one!

*screech of brakes*

Eh!?

I have one that starts :-

So here is me alone again, so what else is new...

The significantly different one that goes :-

And when the night refuses to leave you alone, you feel there must be something more...

And the usual version by SG5

There's another one??

You're right, there is a bit of recycled stuff in those old songs, but not enough to call them the same song. Just Stay is identical in structure, more or less.... really though, it's six of one and a half dozen of the other. I'll probably keep it on!

As for Church of the Broken Hearted, I have one that starts off sounding a lot like the SG5 version, same riff and stuff, starts with "so here is me alone again", and I have the one that starts with the drum intro and then sounds like the SG5 version, it's a bit louder, more distorted, same lyrics, echoey vocals, and ends with what sounds like dicking around on a church organ. I also have the one that starts off acoustic with the more upbeat riff, starts with "and when the night refuses..."

so it appears the second one is the one you don't have.

Want it?

[Ean]

Just Stay.... I'll probably keep it on!

Damn right, I'd break any of my own preset rules (well, more like guidelines really) if it meant keeping that little gem on there.

As for Church of the Broken Hearted, I have one that starts off sounding a lot like the SG5 version, same riff and stuff, starts with "so here is me alone again", and I have the one that starts with the drum intro and then sounds like the SG5 version, it's a bit louder, more distorted, same lyrics, echoey vocals, and ends with what sounds like dicking around on a church organ. I also have the one that starts off acoustic with the more upbeat riff, starts with "and when the night refuses..."

so it appears the second one is the one you don't have.

Want it?

From your description, I'm pretty sure it's the first one I don't have, I have one with the drum intro (you didn't mention it, so I'm assuming the first one doesn't have a drum intro?) and the organ dicking around at the end, and the really different version.

But yeah, I'd love it if you don't mind bunging it in an email (my addy's at the bottom).


It's quite lucky that I have two versions, as I accidentally downloaded Church... from two different files on the Hub instead of something else, and I'd never heard anything mentioned on the LiST about the version with only the chorus in common before...

[seventieslord]

I'll send it off when you get home.

I checked out Nuno's collection on the hub and he didn't have a single thing that I didn't already have by the Wildhearts - and since he has literally everything, sometimes twice or three times, that convinces me that I, too, have everything.

If I don't send it in a day or two, PM to remind me. I'm at work at the moment, y'see...

[nuno75]

I'll send it off when you get home.

I checked out Nuno's collection on the hub and he didn't have a single thing that I didn't already have by the Wildhearts - and since he has literally everything, sometimes twice or three times, that convinces me that I, too, have everything.

If I don't send it in a day or two, PM to remind me. I'm at work at the moment, y'see...

I can't vouch for my collection and its comprehensiveness.The old demos usually aren't a priority for me... I tend to focus on the complete and produced work. Straight from the album kind of stuff.

[seventieslord]

I'll send it off when you get home.

I checked out Nuno's collection on the hub and he didn't have a single thing that I didn't already have by the Wildhearts - and since he has literally everything, sometimes twice or three times, that convinces me that I, too, have everything.

If I don't send it in a day or two, PM to remind me. I'm at work at the moment, y'see...

I can't vouch for my collection and its comprehensiveness.The old demos usually aren't a priority for me... I tend to focus on the complete and produced work. Straight from the album kind of stuff.

I'd vouch for it though.

Since I participated in the bootleg tree, and I had greetings from the studio, phuqing demos, chronicles 1 & 2, five miles high and various things collected even before, I'm pretty sure I have all there is to get. As do you!

[seventieslord]

Sorry to bump this topic..... it's not for nothing!

I was thinking, that tracklist as I posted it would be all discombobulated with single tracks that came out before albums, destroying the "flow" of the album.

If my goal is to have everything as close to in order as possible, what's your opinion? Would you do it like I outlined above? Or would you take tracks like IWGWTPG (point 12) and put them in with their albums (in this case point 13) and leave the b-sides where they were?

Sorry to bother y'all; I'm just ready to burn this and I want it to be as close to perfect as possible.